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Saturday, August 18, 2007

UG is not myspace sorry

Current mood: bitchy

Views: 6,644
Comments: 101
It started getting on my nerves (not that much really) yesterday but I was too busy trying to fix UGP bugs with my team to address this immediately. Anyway, it's been mentioned several times that UGP looks "too much like myspace", and even a "cheap myspace copy". I feel like I have to explain a couple things, I know that would make me and people who coded UGP (till & medick) feel way better.
So the original idea of what later became Ultimate Guitar Profiles has appeared two months before UG v5.0 launch (august, 2005). And it was totally not because of myspace, I hardly knew anything about myspace. I was using purevolume and dmusic and some other sites that I can't remember now. Having said this, I still respect all these sites and teams behind them.
Back then we were busy with tablatures, news, reviews, forums etc (everything but social networking) which I believe we are doing fairly good by now. Needless to mention all the infamous troubles with NMPA that have been taking a fair amount of my time. But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So we are not just still around, we are alive and kicking, eh?
Anyway, forget two paragraphs above now and answer a simple question -- what does it mean to be a copy of myspaceHaving blogs? Ok, there are better blog spaces -- livejournal and blogger. Mp3 uploads? You remember how big was before they got into legal troubles? Pictures? ok, why not a copy of flickr or photobucket then? Friends? Cmon, having friends was a vBulletin feature since version 1.0 I think. And it was before myspace even existed. Oh, you mean having all that sh*t in one place? Why not bebo or hi5 copy then? :) I won't even mention that in my humble opinion there is nothing on the Net more disorganized, poorly coded and layouted than myspace... not to mention the worst design ever :puke: Anyway, call it myspace copy or call it cheap myspace copy that will only make it more challenging for us to become #1 guitar community and guitar website, and who knows some day you will call myspace a cheap copy of UG :haha:
Obviously I will write a better story about how was UGP coded, but you see what we have here and it's not the final version, it's rather just the basis that we will be using for the further UG improvements. I believe the current UGP features will be less than a half of UGP of the next year. I'll post the list of features that we plan to implement soon.
Enjoy your weekend!
7:32 am - 101 comments - 120 Kudos - Report!
rockon1824 wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:27pm

This is about 3 million times better than MySpace. I definitely agree about how disorganized and poorly coded MySpace is as well.


Seth Shadows wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:30pm

This site is so well organized and loads so much better then myspace. Good Job.


Zamboni wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:35pm

myspace can't hold a candle to UG


Metallica! wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:46pm

Amen even though on my sigg Its says Ug Space I ll remove it, because now I know I shouldn't compare something as great as Ug to something like Myspace.


Raziel2p wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:47pm

Cheap myspace copy? If anything, this is a perfection of myspace, but that crappy site isn't worthy of mentioning in the same sentance as UGP! \o/


af_the_fragile wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:53pm

This is wayyyyyyyy better than Myspace!
You can't really compare UG profiles to myspace.

Its quite different from myspace. Its more bout your music than trying to be the coolest kid in town with the most friends on their page.

If this is anything like myspace, its only better!!

We've got musicians here! Not stupid emo/scene kids, attention whores and pedophiles!!


SGstriker wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 9:58pm

UG > Myspace
This is exclusively for guitarists (and wannabe-guitarists), and myspace isn't. Enuff said.


paintITblack39 wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 10:02pm

I never really thought of it as a cheap copy of MySpace.

And you left out the fact that UG doesn't have the whores, and such.


Jackal58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 10:02pm

Good Job and thank you Zapp. I greatly appreciate it.


Black Star wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 10:03pm

UG has the whores. Look at how many people in the Pit were going "add me pl0z". But we don't have the pedos.

UGP > Myspace.


shhaannt wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 10:18pm

seriously myspace is getting borring as fuck and this adds the whole guitar concept to myspace so this kicks myspace's ass


Draken wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 10:33pm

these profiles are far superior to myspace i mean if this was an comparative timespan on myspace then i'm sure 5 bugs will have cropped up, so far it's been smooth sailing for UGP.


I_I wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 10:58pm

UGP ties personal profiling and guitar profiling. Which makes it so much better than Myspace. Also, you mention that there's more to come, and it's already an awesome set-up. Can't wait to see what more you have to incorporate with UGP. Thanks, and great job.


Mr. President wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 11:04pm

Ignore the people who just wanna bitch about UG. UG is great the way it is.


SethMegadefan wrote on Aug 18th, 2007 11:20pm

Aww, the blog title disappointed me. And all this time, I thought that UG in fact WAS Myspace.
Damn it to hell!

All I can say is, if this is just the BASE of the UG profiles and there are more updates to come, I think it's safe to say that UG is now the holiest of holy sites on the web. It and Wikipedia used to be neck-and-neck, but now UG has pulled miles ahead.


casualty01 wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 12:24am

Fuck the haters Eug... there's always gonna be people who are miserable and just want to bitch. You created this for millions to enjoy and that they will. The ones who bitch can't even creat a smile on their parents faces.

Cas-: peace :


Draken wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 12:30am

I bet the haters have never satisfied a woman in their lives and are so counterculture they consider the slightest similarity to a popular entity such as myspace as being a copy or whatever, I say poo to these fools, the UG profiles are far superior in all respects, better layout, better functions and better people.


x/taluha wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 2:32am

who the fucksaid that?
its not fucking myspace not even close, this is more of a community
ifeel more welcomed here and people actually talk on here.

i love ug profiles.
dont let people tell you its like myspace it isnt.


Shaggy92 wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 3:01am

hey man It might kinda look like myspace but I like it you can be a little more aware of the people you talk to on here. Also you can now here other peoples music. So yeah keep up the good work. I wish I could do more than + 2


BGSM wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 9:19am

The people on UGP are loads nicer that the majority of MySpace people anyway, since we're all guitarists.

Keep up the great work!


Alreddyded wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 1:05pm

UG > Myspace


umop-3p!sdn wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 3:21pm

They say it looks like a "cheap copy" of myspace, because if you look at the layout, it pretty much the same.

I havent got a problem with either, tbh...


that_1_dude24 wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 10:59pm

Much less pedos on ugp. I like ugp a lot more than myspace anyway. :)


adamjowens wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 11:52pm

its only got the rep coz of how massive myspace became. just imagine if u guys did this first!


MastaBassist10 wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 12:26am

UGP > Myspace... except I can't link my real friends to UGP to hear my songs.. they'll think its creepy I have so many friends on an online forums :(


skeptopotamus wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 3:08am

Dont worry zappp...I like UGP much more than myspace. Now if only I could get my friends to pick up a gitfiddle, register on UG and friend me, I could have all my contacts in one place.


zapppa wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 6:44am

skeptopotamus wrote on Aug 19th, 2007 10:08pm | Remove
Dont worry zappp...I like UGP much more than myspace. Now if only I could get my friends to pick up a gitfiddle, register on UG and friend me, I could have all my contacts in one place.
invite them :)


pAmpH wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 11:11am

It's evident the ammount of time and effort that's been put into UG Profiles, MySpace is extremely disorganised as you mentioned, I can't even keep a track of what the hell's going on half the time, and I won't even mention bulletins, whore codes and those annoying fucking ads (Forgive the obscure words)...

The only thing I'll give credit to MySpace for is the bands that are on it, but even then, it's a website dedicated to popularity, not music. You should try to get bands to create profiles on UG Profiles... I think that would be cool... Major Kudos on you and the rest of the team :)


timo1 wrote on Aug 20th, 2007 11:34am

This is NOTHING like myspace.UG F*cking owns


Jastul wrote on Aug 21st, 2007 5:45am

[quote]We've got musicians here! Not stupid emo/scene kids, attention whores and pedophiles!![quote/]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I dislike about myspace, though I gotta admit UGP is much better organized and WAY cooler since people here just come for the music, the guitar/bass and to chill out and maybe make some net friends in the process, not to have all the greatest videos or the most viewed profile or the highest number of "friends"...... definitely opposite to what over half the people at myspace use their accounts for.


RandyRhoadsRulz wrote on Aug 22nd, 2007 11:42pm

i like ug better than myspace but still myspace is always gonna have more ppl cuz ug is only 4 guitarist


Resiliance wrote on Aug 22nd, 2007 11:48pm

Awesome Eug.


zwound wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 9:07am

I don't think it's like myspace at all, except for the LAYOUT (a little bit). Zappp, i think you COULD experiment with some other layout options..other than that it pwns. You can post your gear and pics of your gear. you can post your songs and have them rated, and even skill rated. Only thing i think is that the society of the UG profiles should expand and settle a little bit...i mean it's still in it's beggining phases, and i think it hasn't reached full usage yet - but that will happen i think :).

The only things i could suggest is experimenting with a really original layout...that is the only thing i can suggest. I think the layout is the reason why it's called a myspace rip off (and it's not)...

All the best, greets and good luck!

~ Tan


zwound wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 9:34am

to my above post, i'd like to add that it's really hard to come up with something original. it's that all of the myspace, hi5 and wahtever seem to have that standard layout. pics on the upper left, with additional personal info below, and then just blog and main body taking up the centre and most of the right side of the page...

also the UG MP3 player is alot like many other sites have. it's like an industry standard or something. i'm not saying it's unoriginal...i mean it looks original indeed, but it's always like that with online music players...a panel with play, pause, stop and whatever, and then a list of song links below...i know it's hard to change and be different, cause this seems to be the most ergonomic way, i'm just pointing out some similarities between most sites like myspace, hi5, and maybe even UG now...

Let's try being different, and yet the BEST. ofcourse, not to risk ergonomics..i think it would be cool if UG had a completely different desing than all the rest of the sites.



zapppa wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 11:17am

hey man, thanks for the criticism, despite of what someone would think, I appreicate this a lot. We will experiment with the layout at some point don't worry. What I've been trying to say in my blog is that (exactly!) you can't come with smth different when you do mp3 player. Plus if people got used to some functions/layout section there is no big need to break their habbits. But we will try to make it different but still usable :D


zwound wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 11:34am

hey, anytime, man :cheers:

*phew...i didn't get banned for that*



zwound wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 11:54am

Oh, i have a suggestion though.

you know, i might be retarded, but i haven't found a way of getting to the index of profiles (where the search, and chrats are) except from manually typing would be nice if there was a link at the top of the page to 'profiles' or something. that would be quite nifty and neat :)



zapppa wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 2:57pm

click on your name at the top right corner :)


severed-metal wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 6:05pm

OMG, No one could've said it better themselves...well..uhh...except for you. But, who cares really if Myspace has more people, that just means more sexual predators...maybe haha...Kick ass job on the domination of Myspace.


FghtFfYrDmns wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 7:12pm

Well said. If i didn't know better you and doug were copies of each other. ...Not sure who drinks more though...


Shaggy92 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 8:58pm

You know whats funny some people are talking about haters but I haven't seen any hate post yet. Also zapp keep up the good work


Absent Mind wrote on Aug 23rd, 2007 11:49pm

I dont see a need to be differnt to be honest. I mean the fact that this is only for guitarists pretty much sets it apart from any my space crap etc. I doubt non guitarists will come to register just to use its myspace features :P the lay out is fine, it works, trying to be differnt is what a lot of people say is why they're modern day emos, and look what happened there :P

As well as to the 'bog standard' features, like the MP3 player looking like all the others you've ever seen, well if it aint broke dont fix it, theres no need to come up with a new way of aranging a pause and skip button etc :P

I like it how it is, but I'm looking foward to the updates over the year(s) its gunna be great!

BTW are they're any plans to implement videos? (especially in the skills section, but also for the songs your write if you wanted to film your self performing them as well or w.e) That would be great, and I would be much more enthusiastic to use the skills function if people could see me to help out :D


Night_Lights wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 12:54am

Screw the haters.


ShredIsNotDead. wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 2:15pm

myspace sucks for musicians. you can only upload 4 tracks


C.C. Deville wrote on Aug 24th, 2007 9:25pm



Das_Skittles wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 2:23am

Myspace is crap. UG is more tightly knit and it doesnt seem like there many "friend whores" who just try to get as many friends as possible. And Myspace doesn't have any useful things besides the social networking, while UG gives users access to tabs, lessons, and videos.


Acid_Paint wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 9:28am

This sort of thing happens all the bloody time, little 10 year old kids who think myspace is the shit come on to other completely different social networking sites with different histories and they always complain about how much of a 'myspace ripoff' that website is.

Remember folks, how society is degressing rapidly.


GRBB wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 4:48pm

This is so much better than Myspace. UG is just 10x MySpace


Aussieloco wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 10:36pm

I still wanna change the layout...


konigstiger wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 11:14pm

UGP is waaay better than myspace


zapppa wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 12:04am

Aussieloco wrote on Aug 25th, 2007 5:36pm
I still wanna change the layout...
explain please?


idontloveyou wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 12:19am

Also: if you want to add the fact that Myspace crashes every five or so minutes, unlike UG which runs so smooth and cleanly, looks gorgeous, and you can't stick any of that horrible bullshit everywhere, then UGP is nothing like Myspace :D

... and less whiny emo kids. :]


g1asseye wrote on Aug 26th, 2007 2:45pm

This is obviously better than myspace... It has more guitars =D


Masochist_Lust wrote on Aug 27th, 2007 7:47am

Well, I'm still kinda getting used to the whole UGP thing. I've only had mine for around a week, a little over, a little under, not sure. I have 7 or so friends I think and I haven't uploaded any songs or anything like that. On MySpace I guess there is more for me to do, there are more friends for me there, I have more photos, blah blah blah. But when I'm not busy enough, my work on my UGP will def out do my MySpace. So yeah.

zappp, this is nothing like MySpace. I love you for making UGP. When I'm not busy getting the shit out of the way that I have to do in the next few weeks, UGP will = my interwebz life.


tincho729 wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 2:35am

I agree so much ill add you as a friend


allie_is_cool wrote on Aug 28th, 2007 8:10pm

Im glad you cant change the layouts and all that nonsence on UG. MySpace just got so retarded. After a while it wasnt so much about the people themselves but how "cool" thier profiles looked. Plus less less garbage on your profiles means less things to go wrong.


BRad243 wrote on Aug 29th, 2007 1:27am

who gives a shit if its like myspace anyway this is all bout guitars and shit


Page&HammettFan wrote on Aug 29th, 2007 6:59pm

Fuck all who call these profiles a cheap copy. This is possibly the coolest thing I've ever seen on the net... And you say that this is going to get better? I don't know how you'll do that, because this is already so unbelievably awesome. I can't wait to see a list of planned updates.



zhille wrote on Aug 30th, 2007 3:45pm

Well, I am a web designer by profession, and I am very satisfied with the way UGProfiles look, the layout fits with the rest of the site, fonts are beautiful, and the colors too, I like the graphics, they're modern and have great coloring too...then, the structure on a member's profile is the most readable combination, it's clear and functional, and does not look like MySpace AT ALL! I have Myspace, and I really think it sucks :D

I have some suggestions if anyone cares.

1. Text fields and/or inputs should have a lighter, not #00000 background color :D It's very hard to see the cursor while typing, wouldn't you say?.

2. In the future it would be nice to have a choice of skin for the profile, like on, they have great and beautifully designed skins, some even with guitars :D It would be a great thing to contact some of UG's webdesigner members to suggest a few skins, and then pick THE BEST ones.

3. Profile editing should be limited to very basic things, fonts and background/background images, for non coding members not to screw up the layout, like on MySpace. And the other reason are the ads, like those hidden in MS layouts and graphic tags.

This is all I wanted to say, and UG pwns MS!


zapppa wrote on Aug 30th, 2007 7:26pm

thanks for you feedback zhille, we will definitely implement profile customization feature (and yeah, it will be not too advanced so people won't screw their profiles) as well as different skins to choose from.


ShredIsNotDead. wrote on Aug 30th, 2007 7:26pm

myspace sucks compared to this.


Garci wrote on Aug 31st, 2007 12:28am

Absolutely right. Myspace is awful, never even considered making a profile there for myself, though UG... no question about it, love it :).


jpgilbert701 wrote on Aug 31st, 2007 1:05am

this is nothing like myspace but i think its only a matter of time 'til those whores swarm this place too.


RHCPhan18 wrote on Aug 31st, 2007 3:44am



tdude707 wrote on Aug 31st, 2007 5:02am

myspace blows most of the songs and music stuff is gay azz rap rock on ug kills and wat the hell is party like a rock star thats a frigen insult screw them


sword shredder wrote on Aug 31st, 2007 9:35pm

I can't really see the point of Myspace, apart from the blogs...


Page&HammettFan wrote on Sep 1st, 2007 2:59am

zappp; I dunno if it'd be possible or not, but could you possibly upload pics of your own gear to use as a background? That'd be awesome :D


Andrewbiles wrote on Sep 6th, 2007 4:52pm

"there is nothing on the Net more disorganized, poorly coded and layouted than myspace" - As true as it gets


mdwallin wrote on Sep 7th, 2007 1:10pm

YAY for UG!!!!
booo myspace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


timi_hendrix wrote on Sep 8th, 2007 1:40pm

I like myspace and UG Profiles. I don't feel the need to declare my allegiance to one or the other because I use them for different things. I use UG for talking to people about guitar and getting musician's opinions and stuff, and myspace for messing around on when I'm bored and talking to friends outside of college and such.

They're pretty different things basically.


ze monsta wrote on Sep 9th, 2007 1:57pm

ugp'sare so much more useful, because when you're gettin flamed, one click, see people terrible music tastes and BOOM you got ammo to fire at people!

but seriously... ug is so much better that piespace...because theres no whoreage-ism-age...yet.


Kankuro wrote on Oct 1st, 2007 2:46am

Zappp: 1
MySpace: 0


sniper_wolf90 wrote on Oct 1st, 2007 3:14am



Firenze wrote on Oct 1st, 2007 1:56pm

Myspace is for people who don't have the balls to make a UG account.


cherrylespaul wrote on Nov 8th, 2007 10:53pm

I don't really know how you could improve anything, and profile layouts are really hard to be "different" because besides guitar i know some CSS/HTML. This is a great site. I was thinking of a new design for you guys, and what if you could have an option to create something where users could create a channel (like youtube in a way)but put the music videos and gig videos on there for bands. Just thought it might be a good idea, (but it would be better than youtube :D ) at sniper wolf90: zapp-100000000000000000000000000000000 myspace- .000001 XD

-Cherry Les Paul


Yakult wrote on Dec 23rd, 2007 9:17pm

I definitely agree that UG is MUCH better laid out than MySpazz. For a start, UG's ads are at the top of the page, instead of having them all over the place so that you're not sure what's content and what's an advert.


sum_ugly_man wrote on Dec 24th, 2007 8:07pm

UG > myspace, Its actually real here in UG(at least i like to think so)


geluidsterroris wrote on May 31st, 2008 9:50am

myspace is just a poor copy of The Holy UG :d


Ace Frehley wrote on Jun 2nd, 2008 7:50pm

Myspace has the worst layout ever!UG rules!I invite friends and try to make it huge.


zapppa wrote on Jun 3rd, 2008 6:39am

[quote u='Ace Frehley' d='Jun 2nd, 2008 2:50pm'] Myspace has the worst layout ever!UG rules!I invite friends and try to make it huge.[/quote]thanks buddy


mikko 9119 wrote on Jun 4th, 2008 3:01pm

I've used myspace before and it sucked. Everything was out of place, it was a headache to try to do anything. UGP is so much more organized and has a lot nicer of a look to it. The whole "light grey on white and some more white" was really a headache. Thanks for the profiles Zappp, so much better than myspace and myspace will be just a cheap shadow copy of UG... just give it a year :p:


qstionauthority wrote on Jun 18th, 2008 7:46am

Myspace hurts my eyes. I was amazed at how good the profiles looked on UG when I joined the site. I thought to myself: "They start off looking this good?" You have to be a master of HTML and DIV and CSS or whatever just to get a myspace page looking half-way decent. Whoever said "cheap myspace copy" should go back to myspace and hang out with their emo/ scene friends and the pedophiles. Great job on the site!


zapppa wrote on Jun 18th, 2008 7:53am

thanks bud


maroon5sucks wrote on Jul 1st, 2008 6:42pm

[quote u='SGstriker' d='Aug 18th, 2007 4:58pm'] UG > Myspace This is exclusively for guitarists (and wannabe-guitarists), and myspace isn't. Enuff said.[/quote]hey i have a group like that ug>myspace but anyway myspace is a cheap ug


RX120D wrote on Apr 30th, 2009 5:17am

Kudos Zappp.
You're at the helm of one of the best website in years.
Keep it up.


acidhendrix wrote on May 13th, 2009 8:04pm

Ug is god to myspace. This is my favorite site EVER, myspace can suck one, this is the best website in the world


TimBFMV wrote on May 14th, 2009 6:33pm

+1 ^


minichibi wrote on Jun 27th, 2009 1:45am

"there is nothing on the Net more disorganized, poorly coded and layouted than myspace... not to mention the worst design ever"

YES! Organizing my band's MySpace is tedious and irritating. MySpace has so many bugs it hurts.


Tojo62 wrote on Aug 4th, 2009 1:52am

very well stated my good sir


supergerbil wrote on Aug 11th, 2009 2:59pm

I've just realised after reading that, how good UGP actually are. They're so easy to use and look miles better than myspace. The whole way it works is really good and is so much more easy to navigate than myspace. I hadn't really thought of the similarities til now, but there isn't really any. UGP is wholey better and I thank you for making them!


SlayingDragons wrote on Aug 16th, 2009 1:33am

I hate myspace. It's the most annoying thing I've ever used, and it's not just the layout and over-all boringness of it all, it's all the people on there. (most) people on here are pretty cool, and it's much easier and more fun to use then myspace will ever be.

I luv mah UG. :hug:


Slug Fest wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 9:33pm

Myspace doesn't allow harassment from people like UG does thats why I'm set to
private . Wish you could be more like myspace Instead of Dread G Space I would visit more . Seems one side always the UG .


Slug Fest wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 9:34pm

Your site is supposed to be an outlet for people like me and not a prison or where
anrche rules so myspace would be better .


Slug Fest wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 9:36pm

Myspace doesn't have Bann u for this bann you for that you need a rule book to join UG but not on Myspace or Face book why is that ?


Slug Fest wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 9:49pm

The there is Team member privelage abuse also known as stalking and hacking when profiles are set to private .


Slug Fest wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 9:51pm

I think you need to make the UG a more friend leer place to compete with Myspace
Youtube and face book .


Slug Fest wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 9:53pm

Can a artist sell his material on UG as well as Myspace ? or at all without being banned for senseless behavoir by Moderators team members ? I think not .
You have much work to do . A year later this site is still in its infince much to learn
and work out here , so good luck . Slug


Wolf Dog Moon wrote on Oct 8th, 2009 4:59pm

Myspace is annoying so far. I like this site better. Don't let the haters even slow ya for a second!


nmc1234 wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 11:42pm

Slug Fest: two things
1: you know nothing
2: would you kindly shut the **** up


gal4blues wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 5:51pm

I agree with you. I don't think that somebody can tell if one is better than another, though, because UG and MySpace are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sites, serving completely different purposes. MySpace is just a social net that, well, has a little more to do with music, while UG is a site JUST for music and especially for string musicians, either experts or neophytes. Apples and oranges here, people!


devourke wrote on Aug 4th, 2011 3:47am

[quote=zappp]Oh, you mean having all that sh*t in one place?[/quote]
I like how the creator of the site still has to get past the censors


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