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Thursday, August 14, 2008

Rap is a terrible excuse for music.

Current mood: angry

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Comments: 70
That isn't true, it's a ploy to get you here.

Mission accomplished eh?

"I'll admit, I:
A: came here to see how stupid you are to have that phrase in your sig/as the name of a blog;
B: came in here and bash rap with a fellow idiot"

Chances are, if you agree with that statement, you're either extremely stupid, or a conformist who struts around with ACDC and Led Zeppelin shirts from Target.  See, if you sincerely don't like it, fine, that's understandable, but you probably haven't listened to the right rap. If you hate it, you're stupid and don't deserve an opinion.

"Alex, I'm slightly intrigued so far, but what is the right rap?"

Good, inspired lyrics, good flow, honest presentation, humble subject matter. Rap that isn't manufactured garbage, and isn't there to create a new dance, become a trend, or to make money.

Soulja Boy, I'm pointing at YOUUUUUUUUUU.

"Can you point me in the right direction to start out?"

A great example of rap at its best is in the early '90's. My personal favorite rap from this era comes from the group A Tribe Called Quest. Very insightful, meaningful, inspired lyrics. No guns, no violence, no garbage. Tribe's album The Low End Theory is by far one of my favorite albums ever. They tell stories in a poetic, flowing method, and are certainly ear pleasing. From the song 'Show Business':

"Yo, I gotta speak on the cesspool
It's the rap industry and it ain't that cool
Only if you're on stage or if you're speakin' to your people
Ain't no-one your equal
Especially on the industry side
Don't let the games just glide
Right through your fingers, you gotta know the deal
So Lord Jamar speak, because you're real..."

Even back then, there was a huge deal of bad rap among the good stuff, and the talented writers recognized it.

"But what about modern rap? It's all about fucking bitches and shooting other people!"

Yes, the shitty rap is about those things. How many rappers a year do you hear about on the news getting arrested for murder? One to two, every other year or so, MAYBE. Old school rap didn't suffer from this as much as modern stuff does.

"Alright we covered the 90's, what about the new millenium?"

One of the most talented rappers of this decade is Mos Def. From his song 'Mathematics':

"It's five dimensions, six senses
Seven firmaments of heaven to hell, 8 Million Stories to tell
Nine planets faithfully keep in orbit
with the probable tenth, the universe expands length
The body of my text possess extra strength
Power-liftin powerless up, out of this, towerin inferno
My ink so hot it burn through the journal
"

Extremely intelligent, well thought out, rhymes well, flows well, everything.

Most mainstream rap is needlessly aggressive, as, going off the path a tiny bit, comedian Mike Birbiglia states in one of his jokes:

"Rap has changed a lot since I was a kid. It was so innocent! It was just like "Ribbity rap rap raptastic!" It's just gotten so arbitrarily aggressive you know? Rappers now are like "It's 2005 mofo!" And I'm like, you're mad about the date? You gotta pick your battles man, I mean, you get mad at that, no one's gonna believe you when you're mad at real stuff. You're like the boy who cried 'mofo'."

And he is correct. Most of it is pointless ramble about things that never really happened. Good rap takes on personal accounts of growing up in rough neighborhoods, the dangers of the music business, etc.

"Conformist prick! Everyone says old school rap and underground/non mainstream rap is the best!"

Hm, the word 'best' is subjective, in music, there's no such thing as best. But as far as my personal preference, there is very little modern mainstream rap I would consider 'good'.

Of course, someone out there is always gonna like Soulja Boy, and someone will always refuse to appreciate rap, listen to it, respect it, etc., and stick to whatever it is that they do like. Music is a huge, diverse medium, and you can't knock it til you try it.

G-Dog_666 wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 6:56pm :
*retarded comment*


Alright, I see your point, but you don't have to be a twat about it.

The theme of this blog is a "hey, give it a chance" rather than "rap > all", so learn the meaning of the word elitist before you use in such a dumb fucking way.

"See, if you sincerely don't like it, fine, that's understandable, but you probably haven't listened to the right rap. If you hate it, you're stupid and don't deserve an opinion."

Read it. Read it again. Again. Got it yet? Probably haven't listened to the right rap. No elitism, no shoving my thoughts down your throat. The word hate is used in the sense that people say they 'hate' it because it 'isn't music', 'lacks talent', etc.  I'm never one to think I'm high and mighty because I'm strongly opinionated and believe I can make a decent argument.

Do I truely give a fuck about who likes what? No, certainly not, people are entitled to their opinion as long as they have a reason, and aren't blind to what's really out there and don't make ridiculous judgments such as your own. And of course this would fuel arguments, that thought hovered in my head as I typed every letter of this blog. Do I care? No. Did I try to insinuate conflict? Never. Try pulling your head out of your ass and grasp the concept of this blog; don't knock it til you try it.

I'll expand on this whenever I can.



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Drezzdez wrote on Aug 14th, 2008 10:05am

I think rap is queer but im a huge rage against the machine fan probably cause its rap metal so yeah

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 14th, 2008 4:30pm

Drezzdez wrote on Aug 14th, 2008 at 5:05am :


I think rap is queer but im a huge rage against the machine fan probably cause its rap metal so yeah


Exactly my point on how retarded people are.

Calling it queer is extremely ignorant. This comment would have been a billion times smarter had you wrote "I don't really like rap, but..."

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Slaytanic6606 wrote on Aug 16th, 2008 2:10am

I think you're completely right.
Most people who say they hate rap are just trying to fit in to seem cool or have only heard the crap on the radio.

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Ze_Metal wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 5:56pm

I don't like any form of rap. The idiots talking about "Bling", making money and sex turns me off from the rest of the good rap. It seems like anyone who talks about that stuff and has a premade beat can make millions. There are some rappers that are decent because they don't talk about that stuff. Or atleast I've never heard it from them. Like...fort minor, or whatever they are called. They have a pretty sad song that isn't about that shit.

That's my thoughts.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 7:05pm

Ze_Metal wrote on Aug 21st, 2008 at 12:56pm :


I don't like any form of rap. The idiots talking about "Bling", making money and sex turns me off from the rest of the good rap. It seems like anyone who talks about that stuff and has a premade beat can make millions. There are some rappers that are decent because they don't talk about that stuff. Or atleast I've never heard it from them. Like...fort minor, or whatever they are called. They have a pretty sad song that isn't about that shit.

That's my thoughts.



Eh, you gotta give it a chance. Don't let the bad rap deter you from what's good.

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rocknrollstar wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 2:20pm

I love rap :) Dre is legendary (Y)

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 4:15pm

rocknrollstar wrote on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 9:20am :


I love rap Dre is legendary (Y)


:) true that.

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Disaster Area42 wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 2:29am

Clever ploy to get people to read your blog. tbh, I was thinking "prepare for a pointless rant about how much rap sucks" You presented your argument well and I can say that


I'm still going to avoid rap whenever possible for many reason.

but still a well presented argument.

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justinrobbins7 wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 4:58am

I've had this discussion many times with friends, and you presented it really well. Rap can be lyrical genius if its executed the right way. Sweet read.

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Mr.LeadGuitar wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 7:17am

I like 90's rap. I can tollerate some of the new rap, but they only play the shitty kind on the radio. Very rarely do you find a good rap song as u describe it on the air, and that sucks cause it limits what most listen to. No wonder those who like rock give rap such a bad name. They hear the shit on the radio, they assume that's how it all is, and they dont bother looking for any good rap.
Also, you are completely correct. I just wish u didnt use that title to lure people here. (then again, to say what people generally agree with will attract more attention than what most people disagree with. i doubt u would have gotten any hits had it been titled "The "Right" kind of rap" or something like that).

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 7:30am

Ah, thanks. People automatically assume 50 Cent and Soulja Boy etc. represent rap as a whole, and refuse to believe anything else.

Haha, I figured using that title would lure in just about anyone that saw my sig or came to my profile. I'm definitely not trying to change anyones mind or create propaganda, just trying to open some minds and enlighten some people on what they're missing out on, whether they actually read through this or not. Thanks for reading/complimenting/adding :)

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aetherspear wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 8:58pm

yo, check out MF Doom, he's got some great stuff. check this vid out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfl7lhJuTis

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 9:16pm

aetherspear wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 at 3:58pm :


yo, check out MF Doom, he's got some great stuff. check this vid out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfl7lhJuTis


Good find, I'll definitely be checking out more of his stuff.

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iceman817 wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 12:00am

To all the BAD rap music in the world

R.A.P.

Retards Attempting Poetry

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 12:58am

iceman817 wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 at 7:00pm :


To all the BAD rap music in the world

R.A.P.

Retards Attempting Poetry


that kinda generalizes the entire genre, but i get where you're coming from. Not the best way to attack bad rap though.

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mikko 9119 wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 3:42am

I've been meanin to be into some goooood rap for a while. that Tribe sounds nice... unlike alot of the rap today.

and Mos Def is great. haven't heard too much but what I have was great (and even then I had no clue what it was)

and to iceman, wow that was so funny because it's never been said at all before ever.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 3:49am

mikko_9119 wrote on Aug 24th, 2008 at 10:42pm :


I've been meanin to be into some goooood rap for a while. that Tribe sounds nice... unlike alot of the rap today.

and Mos Def is great. haven't heard too much but what I have was great (and even then I had no clue what it was)

and to iceman, wow that was so funny because it's never been said at all before ever.


*thumbs up*

Tribe is a great place to start, then you can branch out into other stuff like De La Soul, Public Enemy, etc.

Definitely pick up The Low End Theory before the rest of their stuff.

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Steven E wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 5:08am

I like the REAL old school gangsta shit, and lil jon, hehe he's the funniest rapper evar!

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Steven E wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 5:09am

NWA!

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jonathanonfire wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 8:02am

mmm Aesop Rock. There's a fucking poet. You're not gonna find that wit or lyrical prowess anywhere else.
...and i hate rap. I listen to mostly death metal and hardcore. Aesop is the only thing I can stand and respect.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 4:29pm

Steven E wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 12:08am :


I like the REAL old school gangsta shit, and lil jon, hehe he's the funniest rapper evar!


he's more of a hype man than a rapper. "YEEEEAAAHHHHUUUUUHHH" "OHHHHHHKAYYYY"

Not exactly lyrics.

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ninjafingers wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 5:56pm

I don't really like rap, mostly because these days it's all pretty much fake. All they do is take a drum machine and a few other studio effects and stuff. Then the rappers themselves can't really do half the stuff they sound like they can do. For example, especially for long passages where you wouldn't have time to take a breath, they'll record one line and stop, record the next line and stop, etc. I don't really mind the old stuff where it's pretty much just a drummer layin down some funky groove, and a bassist improvising on top of it, but I don't like any of the new stuff.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 6:01pm

Well i disagree with the first part, beats can be artificial and still sound good, though a live band is nice too. I'll agree with the fast passages part though. Little studio tricks like that can be annoying, and when most of them perform live, they can't catch their breaths, though some like Twista and Lupe Fiasco use this effect just to clean up the sound and production, but can flow live as well.

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ninjafingers wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 6:04pm

I don't disagree that beats can be artificial and still sound good, it's just the fact that it's a machine and not a real person the bothers me.

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mental_zer0 wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 2:55am

just curious---what' s your opinion on Del tha Funky Homosapien? He's got mad flow.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 3:17am

mental_zer0 wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 9:55pm :


just curious---what' s your opinion on Del tha Funky Homosapien? He's got mad flow.


I've heard of him, but I've never checked out his stuff. I'll look into it soon.

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kerjacklebass&! wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 3:27am

i read one fourth of your blog and all i can say is i hate rap BUT!!.... i alsot totally agree that i mainly hate the rap you hate too as for everything else.....im not srue im really into any kind of "rap" but im not a metal head of led zepllan and ac dc i actualy dont even liek ac dc very much at all, .....btw i liek hardcore metal, oldchool punk,punk rock, post hardcore, pop punk

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 4:58am

kerjacklebass&! wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 10:27pm :

i read one fourth of your blog


Reading all the way through would make me feel better pl0x

kerjacklebass&! wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 10:27pm :

all i can say is i hate rap


"I'm not into rap" would be the correct answer. But you did state that later on which compensates somewhat.

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*rockgirl* wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 12:23pm

I dont like rap at all...it's not even music...there's no singing, no instuments, the lyrics are horrible...just my opinion,though...

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 2:46pm

*rockgirl* wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 at 7:23am :


I dont like rap at all...it's not even music...there's no singing, no instuments, the lyrics are horrible...just my opinion,though...


I think you missed the point...

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*rockgirl* wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 11:38pm

i didnt miss the point, i just said what i think about rap in general...

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guitar-guy01 wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 12:03am

cool article

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 2:29am

guitar-guy01 wrote on Aug 26th, 2008 at 7:03pm :


cool article


Thanks, 'blog' is more accurate though :D

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blobthedie wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 6:07pm

Does an AC/DC bag count?

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G-Dog_666 wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 11:56pm

Thank you soooooooo much!!!!! You have opened my eyes to the great world of rap!!!!! I now see the error of my ways!!!!! From now on will listen to the RIGHT rap as perscribed by you! No more listening to the types of music I want to listen to and leaving out the ones I don't. How could I ever have had my own opinion on music and actually thought I could stand by it? :rolleyes:

This blog is just as elitist as the "OMG RAP SUCKS BALLS! IT ISN'T EVEN REAL MUSIC!" blogs and threads and just another bandwagon to jump on. You get a kick out of believing you hold the moral high ground liking rap when others don't. So what? Some people don't like rap and some people don't want to like rap. Boo hoo. You keep on listening to what you want to and others will do the same. Arguments are fuelled, not finished by blogs such as this because as much as you may try, you can objectify the subjective.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 28th, 2008 1:47am

blobthedie wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 1:07pm :


Does an AC/DC bag count?


Don't take that line too seriously, it's a bland generalization.

And no :D

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Death_To_Emo wrote on Aug 28th, 2008 2:49am

Jurassic 5 is pretty sweet. And the Geto Boys

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 28th, 2008 3:03am

Death_To_Emo wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 9:49pm :


Jurassic 5 is pretty sweet. And the Geto Boys


Damn, it feels good to be a gangsta.

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LedZepKicksAzz wrote on Aug 31st, 2008 3:24am

I'm sorry, I gave it a chance, and it just doesn't sound as good.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 31st, 2008 3:27am

LedZepKicksAzz wrote on Aug 30th, 2008 at 10:24pm :


I'm sorry, I gave it a chance, and it just doesn't sound as good.


To each his own. At leas you were cool about it and not all high and mighty.

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bodean55 wrote on Sep 15th, 2008 5:11am

thank you for that. haha most people think im stupid saying that i like rap but not lil wayne or any of that other stuff. outkast is a good example. they write raps that have meaning, not just all about how they're better. a good example:

"Your white tee, well to me, looks like a nightgown. Make your mama proud, take that thing two sizes down."

Thank you for sharing my belief.

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AcousticSlayer wrote on Oct 24th, 2008 6:24am

I don't really listen to rap, simply because it gets on my nerves. I do however like to read some of the lyrics done by rap artists.

Anyone else? They are just good spoken word poets...

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huevos wrote on Oct 27th, 2008 3:17am

jonathanonfire wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:02am :


mmm Aesop Rock. There's a fucking poet. You're not gonna find that wit or lyrical prowess anywhere else.
...and i hate rap. I listen to mostly death metal and hardcore. Aesop is the only thing I can stand and respect.


I recommend you some Immortal Technique, El-Producto, Sage Francis, Blue Scholars, Nas, and Atmosphere.

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huevos wrote on Oct 27th, 2008 3:25am

G-Dog_666 wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 4:56pm :

because as much as you may try, you can['t] objectify the subjective.
<----here

I don't think that your helping your case with a cliched sardonic attitude.

That's funny. You state to let people live with their convictions (Some people don't like rap and some people don't want to like rap. Boo hoo. You keep on listening to what you want to and others will do the same), but your quote up there says not to do so if your for showin who the chumps are.
What happened to living by your convictions?
True, it may not be the most effective way of handling things, but who wants to be a fucking robot only able to assert the objective?
Fuck that.

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OzarkMDaredevil wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 9:56pm

Ummmm, I don't insult peoples music. And I came in here to call you an idiot for bashing it. But I get all my clothes at Target, cause I'm poor. Hell, I'm wearing a Pink Floyd jacket from Target right now. You're hurtful.

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firefox385 wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 12:29am

i dont think rap is shit. just not my style of music. i hate how people always say that other genres of music are shit just because they dont like it.

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metalhead39 wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 3:19am

Just because it isn't played on a guitar doesn't mean it's a not a real person playing it. It's not like you just grab a laptop and say "Computer! Make me a platinum album!" It's played by a real person on a keyboard. Although some rappers don't make their own beats, all the good ones do.

As for the lyrics being terrible, here's a verse that explains how the mainstream rap industry has made you think that way

Now you keep everybody's eyes on charts and schedules
And old trends, trying to stack gold bars and medals
They want vessels, void and dark
The industry wanna make stars instead of music, it's the smarter special
Because art at a level this real can be harder to pedal
It's the work of a market that settles
For second rate, kill the true artists, martyr the rebels
That's the system and it's straight from the heart of the devil

Angel - Shad K

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Clancy 13 wrote on Feb 17th, 2009 7:06am

rap is dodgy...... most of the time. you get some good rappers who don't actually waste their time singing about "slappin yo bitch" and shit. :P i used to listen to eminem when i was 9 or something...... i went straight...... lol

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tukk04 wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 1:50pm

i like old school snoop dogg and dre, but thats it. Probably cause thats when rap lyrics actually meant something, well that and im a southern boy at heart
firefox385 wrote on Dec 27th, 2008 at 7:29pm :

i dont think rap is shit. just not my style of music. i hate how people always say that other genres of music are shit just because they dont like it.


and i agree with this

Clancy 13 wrote on Feb 17th, 2009 at 2:06am :

rap is dodgy...... most of the time. you get some good rappers who don't actually waste their time singing about "slappin yo bitch" and shit. :P i used to listen to eminem when i was 9 or something...... i went straight...... lol


and this

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figsandbobo wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 4:59am

Mr. Blogger, allow me to recommend, Grieves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STB2ZQpkeKc

And Binary Star:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2RIb7wSv0&feature =related

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figsandbobo wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 5:00am

Oh, and another Binary Star song you should check out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n2QEJr5m-Q

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Vin2254 wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 3:50pm

You guys should go listen to some Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, Atmosphere, P.O.S., Murs, MF Doom, Eyedea & Abilities, Immortal Technique... all great rap with meaningful lyrics.

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rocnroll4evr93 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2009 2:15am

see i'm not a fan of rap, but i respect the good rap. not like the over-produced garbage, but the stuff that actually has point other than "i'm getting paid a shitload for this."

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Zoot Allures wrote on Jun 26th, 2009 6:03pm

ive never heard any rap i like. don't give me a bunch of links saying 'if you don't like this you're ignorant'. I'm allowed to like whatever music i like and i dont like rap. Fair enough some of the rappers are good at writing lyrics etc i just dont like the music.

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batman187 wrote on Jul 7th, 2009 11:19pm

I was option A for sure.

I'm getting into a bit of rap, mostly old stuff although even though he gets bashed all the time I like Lil Wayne, he has catchy songs and incorporates some rock into some of his songs.

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duncang wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 9:54pm

Don't say people don't deserve an opinion because they hate rap. That is arguably the stupidest thing that's been said so far!

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 10:29pm

hate, as in blind hate. Like. all i've heard is the mainstream stuff and can generalize that all rap is this, therefore I hate it.

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duncang wrote on Jul 14th, 2009 11:35pm

You seem to be under the impression that the artists you mentioned as good examples are not mainstream.

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Jul 14th, 2009 11:40pm

Not necessarily. At least not modern mainstream.

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"putnamehere" wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 12:53am

One of my favorite rap albums is The Roots' Things Fall Apart. You should go check out that one too if you haven't. And I'm taking some recommendations from your post. :D

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Jul 17th, 2009 2:44am

Thanks, i'll check that out. The Tipping Point is a great album as well.

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Colgate Total wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 7:59am

I was actually interested in the blog until I read the holier than thou bullshit at the beginning. However, I forced myself to read on to see if it was interesting and it was. Congrats.

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the humanity wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 8:14am

my problem with rap is the concept of sampling. it bugs me. each song should be unique in ways besides lyrics. lyrics are for expressing the music, music is not for complementing the lyrics. poetry is not music. lyrics are for musicians to use to add depth to vocal melodies and nothing more.

any thoughts?

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pbiggie wrote on Aug 8th, 2009 8:54am

Do you listen to dujeous?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d0eqsjtDY8

hip hop with real instruments.

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Oroborous wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 6:07am

So you said, "If you hate it, you're stupid and don't deserve an opinion."

That's a pretty stupid thing to say, it's possible not to like a certain genre of music you know?

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 6:11am

'hate, as in blind hate. Like. all i've heard is the mainstream stuff and can generalize that all rap is this, therefore I hate it.'

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Aug 19th, 2009 6:12am

on topic: Listen to Nas.

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Chaperoni wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 11:22pm

Hooray for the continuing butchery of the English language.
If they want to write poetry, why not write poetry?

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Alexishxc1337a wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 3:14am

Chaperoni wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 3:22pm :
Hooray for the continuing butchery of the English language.
If they want to write poetry, why not write poetry?


elaborate.

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Jazzalenko wrote on Jul 4th, 2010 3:50pm

Nice blog. I don't listen to much rap, but love stuff like MF Doom and Atmosphere :D

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