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Monday, August 30, 2010

Bant Blog: Stupid Idiot of the Day Edition

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Congratulations MMJOHN!! 
You have been awarded today's stupid idiot of the day award.

Let's take a look at this post shall we.


Quoted for prosperity 

The lead channel is damn good also big thick and with good tubes and speakers in my amp not muddy......if you get it mess around with some different tubes...its amazing how much you can change this amp with 12ax7s......it's classic marshall!

Hrm well. Well, let's get the obvious one out of the way first and then we can move on to why this entire post is a jumble of mouth drool.

Tsl602. Classic Marshall.

Tell me mmjohn, which classic marshall is this amp based on? Is it the venerable JTM45? Is it the JMP50? JMP100? The baby 18 watter? Well it couldn't be any of those amps could it. None of those amps have master volumes...

Which classic era of Marshall tones does your TSL602 cover?? The fully cranked WHO through a full stack of greenback era? 

Well no. The TSL602 has nothing in common with those amps. 

Let's get something straight here folks. There is no such thing as a classic marshall or a classic fender sound that comes out of a circuit with a master volume. None. All of the old rock classics that Marshall and Fender staked their reputation on were non master volume amps that derived most of their distortion from the power amp stage. FACT. 1 million percent fact. 

Unless your amp comes with a switch that takes the master volume out of the circuit you are not getting those tones. Your amp is absolutely not getting the right mix of preamp and power amp distortion.

So now the second point. A 12ax7 is a preamp tube. Some sound different then others. Unfortunately, when you're going for tone that is biased heavily towards power tube distortion which 12ax7 you have isn't going to make that big of a difference as long as it's not terribad. We're talking 1 or 2 12ax7 gain stages in most of the big Marshalls here. When you get into 4-6 gain stages you're preamp tube choices will matter a shit load. 

Classic Marshall? not so much. 

mmjohn you join the ranks of Blues Jr., great classic fender cleans, used for dream theater guy. 


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gregs1020 wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 10:36pm

can i buy that marshall logo?

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stykerwolf wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 2:09pm

Jeese give the guy a break, he likes his amp, and that's the only thing that matters for him. So what if he liked the TSL more then say another Marshall, it's his tone. If we don't give a fuck about your playing, you shouldn't give a fuck about others opinions. Not everyone has to say "oh the JMP/JCM800 is the best Marshall ever!".
So all right the TSL isn't the best Marshall by 99.99% of the people, but if he likes it then that's that. I'm sure you're not going to call people like Dave Murray, Adrian Smith and Jeff Beck (when he used the DSL/TSL) stupid because they favor those amplifiers above others.

Master volume at 10 actually disengages the master volume circuit and all volume is controlled with the preamp volume.

I agree with the classic part, and the same goes for what you are saying about the preamp tubes not really mattering (tone shaping/saturation)

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gumbilicious wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 5:38am

yeah, i agree with stykerwolf: "If we don't give a fuck about your playing, you shouldn't give a fuck about others opinions"

we all know how much it bothers you that we pick on you for sucking guitar, that is why you keep making clips for us. we all know you have actually only played for a year or so, but your not really good yet. therefore, your opinion doesn't count.

but i'd like to see how "Master volume at 10 actually disengages the master volume circuit and all volume is controlled with the preamp volume." i'd like to know how that circuit operates.

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AcousticMirrora wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 5:43am

well that circuit would work like the flexi50.

anyhow I don't really care what this guy likes or dislikes.

Tsl602. Classic Marshall. Nope.

I'm ranting about idiocy. Not everyone has to like the jcm800/plexi whatever. I don't even like non master power tube distortion. The fact of the matter is, calling a blues jr classic Fender is ignorant. Calling a TSL602 a classic marshall sound is ignorant. It's buying into marketing hype and not doing your research. A brand does not equal an amp. There are certain amps that are historically significant. Those individual amps are important not the brand.

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gumbilicious wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 5:45am

i am sorry... did i just hear an annoying fly?

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stykerwolf wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 4:38pm

so you're calling him an idiot for one mistake? he likes it, i mean you like the JCA20 amp (they are pretty damn awesome too) and you kept spamming it in every single thread, that's what John is doing. so he's an idiot, who cares

My opinion doesn't count? Ok fine so it doesn't. and yes i don't play as good, i've been playing around for what 2 years now. so only people with more experience can give out opinions? that's nice to hear. no one has ever picked about my playing, yes i don't play good, or have a good setup, or a recording setup... my point is, that you shouldn't be calling people idiots about their opinion. the amp may not be a classic marshall, or sound like one, but it does to him.

also, gumby, the MV pot is basically directly connected to the first lug (or where ever the signal is comming from) let me illustrate that
http://i56.tinypic.com/2aahxsp.gif

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stykerwolf wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 4:38pm

now from master volume amps i've played i found that the clean channel and with the master dimed the amp functions as a non master volume amp. that image shows that pots basically bypass the resistive material. may not be for every amp but sure were for the amps i have played
sorry if i got that wrong, i'm just going for the simple mechanics and results of a couple of amps i've played over the years

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stykerwolf wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 4:42pm

btw was "we all know how much it bothers you that we pick on you for sucking guitar, that is why you keep making clips for us. we all know you have actually only played for a year or so, but your not really good yet. therefore, your opinion doesn't count." directed at me? i'm too tired from studying to actually bother to check if you were pointing at me or who ever

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nightraven wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 4:47pm

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